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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 1, 2009 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Wolfgangs Vault

I was wondering what effect the sale of shows on that website is going to have on the music available to stream on archive.Are all the shows they are selling there going to be removed from archive,like that download series,some Dick's Picks,and assorted other commercially released product.It is my understanding that it is hundreds of shows.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 2, 2009 8:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

I was in a record shop on Monday and Wolfgang's Vault is a brand. The two Skynyrd show I saw (Cardiff and Winterland) were advertised and packaged as "The shows from WV". I think they were $9.99.

There were no WV GD shows in the bins.

TOOTMO

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 2, 2009 9:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Nevermind...

Hey all--from comments above, I wonder: do we know the answer to this question? Has one approach to releasing DEAD material been evlauated relative to others?

Just wondering if someone posted a link to a detailed, data-rich analysis...

Thanks, will check back in a few days.

Found the thread below!

This post was modified by William Tell on 2009-10-03 04:40:55

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Oct 2, 2009 12:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

Personally I believe Wolfgang's Vault will face big lawsuits releasing any Grateful Dead show for sale, not to mention many other bands such as Led Zeppelin, for another example. They fought the sites very existence.
I have listened to all of the Grateful Dead shows on Wolfgang's Vault and without any exception, EVERY single recording on the IA is superior to whatever they have to offer.. except maybe the small portion of 12/31/70. The Dead Head community has far more respect and has put way more effort into the quality of the recordings.

On the other hand, the concerts by the incredibly wide variety of bands and people on WV is amazing! I love to hear the shows and stream them there. There is some amazing stuff! A real treasure trove of different bands to listen to at Wolfgangs Vault. I can hear some great shows I would never otherwise get to hear. I was streaming some Jefferson Airplane at the Fillmore Auditorium in 1966 that just melted me to the floor the other night...

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Poster: vapors Date: Oct 2, 2009 2:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

It’s true – there is a lot to sample from at Wolfgang’s, and while the sound quality is often poor, it’s awesome to have another easy source to peruse – and some concerts are quite well recorded. I find the summary notes to be very entertaining and informative.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 4, 2009 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

As per the quality issue. Is this because of the source that is streaming or that they stream at a low kbp/s rate? I seem to recall reading that one of the other things WV is going to offer is an annual membership that would allow one to stream at 192 kbp/s.

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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 1, 2009 9:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

since they are not being commercially released by rhino/gd then I wouldn't think they would be pulled.

then again having wolfgang's put another knife in their side might make them reappraise their overall policy towards the archive, tracking sites, mp3 sites, etc., etc....

In a similar vein, I am wondering what impact the planned virtual terrapin station will have on their policy??? if any...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 1, 2009 10:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

"then again having wolfgang's put another knife in their side might make them reappraise their overall policy towards the archive, tracking sites, mp3 sites, etc., etc...."

judging from the rhino debacle (sales-wise) - they are already bled out - just not sure if THEY realize it yet. I got nothing against them wanting to make some few remaining dollars off some releases, but that dog is limping on three legs, jowls a-hangin', milky-eyed blind, and just about ready for the drive to the farm accompanied by an old man and a shotgun.

i will not be surprised if we, a bit in the future, see a large number of the shows available for for about $2 apiece out of a server in the Ukraine (or such) where there is virtually ZERO chance of copyright enforcement. (although i can picture Bob in fatigues with an AK-47 busting into the abandoned factory housing said server, and demanding justice!!)

man, i need some sleep

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 2, 2009 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

"...that dog is limping on three legs, jowls a-hangin', milky-eyed blind, and just about ready for the drive to the farm accompanied by an old man and a shotgun."

LMAO!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, man- funniest line I've read on here in a while.

As we discussed the other day, I agree that the end is near. It seems weird to say this when I think back on the way we used to search for new shows like diamond hunters back in the old TDK cassette days (that's pre-digital to you youngsters), but there's simply a glut of GD material out there right now, most of it free. Most older heads have filled up their collections, and the ranks of new Heads aren’t replenishing like they did when the original outfit was touring. The bottom line is that for better or worse, this is not the insatiable market it was when the Vault and DP projects were launched 16-17 years ago.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 2, 2009 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

Although I'm not a "new head" I am new to the digital age. Once I was pulled kicking and screaming into this new medium I have learned more in the last year about my love of live music than my previous 35 years of album and CD buying, tape trading , ticket buying, and the many Fri. and Sat nights at home w/ my mucic collection.
My undying gratitude goes out to the individuals who truck their equipment to shows just so peoples like myself can have a taste. But I was shocked really once I got online to find that the thousands of dollars I've spent on commercial releases can be had free at the click of a mouse.
I can sort of symathize w/ Weirs plight to a point. But I can not understand how they can allow a certian show to stay in circulation then decide that now they want to commercaily release it. Greed is the only sum I come up w/ when I plug that equation into my often fogged brain.
From what I understand about Wolfgangs outfit is that a warehouse of material BELONGING TO BILL G. AND HIS HEIRS were put up for auction and sold to the highest bidder now I dont quite understand all the legal mumble-jumble regarding the live rec.'s but I suspect there isn't much the bands can do except get a cut from the proceeds.(sounds fair to me)
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that If not for outfits like Rhino and Wolfgangs alot of grate music would never see the light of day. That would be a shame in my eyes.
One last item, besides seeding the shows I download from the various GD sites and useing the LMA for its intended purpose (i.e. not hacking SBD's) How else can I "replenish" ? If there is something else I can do please inform beacause I want to help, and although I don't tape shows regularly the ones I have taped have never been of the quality that would suit a serious audiophile such as myself. Being kind to the scene has always been my way of relenishing. Just curious.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 2, 2009 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

I don't think they're greedy at all. These guys are professional musicians, and they have every right to try and make a buck of off the sale of their work.

Don’t forget, the band never sanctioned the trading of soundboards (although they certainly never made any real effort to do much about it). But in many cases, such as the June '77 Winterland run that has just been released, boards nevertheless made it into circulation over the years from a variety of sources (vault leaks, Betty Cantor's stash, Healy patches, etc). Many of these (esp. the Betty Boards) were of extremely high quality. Then, a few years back, websites like Archive started going up, and all of a sudden people could download in a matter of days the type of library it used to take years to assemble. My point is that the genie left the bottle a long time ago, and the problem they now face on something like this release is that no matter how nice they make it, they're still only offering a polished version of something most fans who like that era already have. So a lot of the discussion around here lately has focused on whether they (the Dead and their business partners) are aware of just how saturated their market is.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 2, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wolfgangs Vault

"But I can not understand how they can allow a certian show to stay in circulation then decide that now they want to commercaily release it. Greed is the only sum I come up w/ when I plug that equation into my often fogged brain."

not so much greed, but stupidity - basically on the part of Rhino (or anyone who tries to put a high price tag on stuff gainable for free ALL OVER THE INTERNET. Imho - they suffered a total failure of market research, and their educated guesswork fell totally flat. Like I hinted at before - i cannot imagine that the boys dont know the coffin is in the ground and they feel that rapidly accelerating trickle of soil covering it up. Viable profitability has left the station. If they can get another sucker like Rhino to manage their vault - more power to them. If I was Phil, and getting paid by a management company, I would be laughing all the way to the bank - even with whatever paltry sum it may be/have been.

Wolfgang can probably make a few bucks if the product is cheap enough. But he wont be heading to the Grand Caymans on what his GD profits are going to bring in. (Now, the other music he is offering up may be another story entirely - not nearly the supply out there for free)

Yes, this is just my opinion. But if the writing on the wall is blurry, it is time to buy some glasses ;)

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2009-10-02 15:53:33